Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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1894 A Conspiracy Exposed

by Lady Lee in

1894-a-conspiracy-exposed.pdf (32.74 mb) .

many of us wonder what kind of a man russell was.

the april 25, 1894 watch tower there was a special edition exposing a conspiracy regarding a possible overthrow of russell's power.. page 11 states that a bro zech disagreed with russell's opinion that the printed page was the best way to preach the word.

Marvin Shilmer

RR,

Two things:

1. The 1884 Charter stipulated members of the Board of Directors “shall hold their respective office for life, unless removed by a two-thirds vote of the shareholders.” Under the 1884 Charter it was not the Directors who were elected annually; it was the corporate officers.
2. My inquiry is regarding the first Board of Directors; not subsequent ones. The sources I cited all stipulate they are talking about the first Board of Directors. Yet they are inconsistent. So my question remains unanswered.

Who constituted the Board of Directors in 1884?

Marvin Shilmer

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1894 A Conspiracy Exposed

by Lady Lee in

1894-a-conspiracy-exposed.pdf (32.74 mb) .

many of us wonder what kind of a man russell was.

the april 25, 1894 watch tower there was a special edition exposing a conspiracy regarding a possible overthrow of russell's power.. page 11 states that a bro zech disagreed with russell's opinion that the printed page was the best way to preach the word.

Marvin Shilmer

An Unfinished Mystery—Who constituted the Governing Body in 1884?

Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society was granted a legal charter on December 13, 1884. Two days later, on December 15, 1884 this charter was recorded in the State of Pennsylvania, County of Allegheny.

The WTS asserts the corporate Board of Directors of Zion’s Watch Tower “served as a central Governing Body, overseeing the global preaching of God’s Kingdom.”(1) So who constituted this initial “Governing Body”?

In the April 25, 1894 Extra Edition journal issue of Zion’s Watch Tower, Charles Russell presents what he calls a copy of the charter granted on December 13, 1884. This copy presents the names of seven Directors:

Charles T. Russell, President
Henry Weber, Vice President
Maria F. Russell, Sec’y Treas.
W. C. McMillan
J. B. Adamson
Simon O. Blunden
Rose J. Ball

However, the January, 1885 journal issue of Zion’s Watch Tower reports only six Board members of the charter granted on December 13, 1884, and these names are not in agreement with those lists in 1894:

C. T. Russell, Pres.
M. F. Russell, Sec. Treas.
W. C. McMillan
W. I. Mann, Vice Pres.
J. B. Adamson
J. F. Smith

Mystifying this even more, a duly verified copy of the charter recorded on December 15, 1884 lists the following as the Board of Directors:

Charles T. Russell
William Mann
Maria Russell
Wm. C. McMillan
Simon O. Blunden
J. B. Adamson
Joseph F. Smith

A comparison of these three lists of Directors shows significant differences. The earliest Watchtower presentation of these directors (January 1885) lists only six Directors whereas the recorded charter lists seven Directors, and the charter says there are seven Directors. So why this difference?

Then in 1894 when Russell is defending himself from allegations of wrongdoing, he presents what he says is a copy of the charter granted in December 13, 1884, and the Directors listed therein shows Rose Ball and Henry Weber as Directors and it does not list William Mann or Joseph Smith.

In the February 1, 1904 journal issue of Zion’s Watch Tower presents a eulogy acknowledging Henry Weber as Vice President.

So who constituted the “Governing Body” in 1884? Did this “Governing Body” include two women, or just one? Did it included Henry Weber, or not? Did it included Simon Blunden, or not?

Marvin Shilmer

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Reference:

1. The Watchtower, Feb 1, 1999 p 17

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Knocking forum is now open on PBS website

by Jourles in

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here we go folks.

a newly opened forum for knocking is now open on pbs's website.

let's not let the jw's overrun this with crap.

Marvin Shilmer

Sunspot,

Klemetti converses as though he’s about to jump out of his skin. My guess is he has some nervous disorder. He does tend to be eccentric, based on his comments. His analytical skill needs no introduction. His work speaks for itself.

Marvin Shilmer

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1913 Souvenir Convention Report HELP

by Marvin Shilmer in

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1913 souvenir convention report:.

i need good clean scans from the 1913 souvenir convention report.

specifically i need 1) the cover page, 2) the title page and 3) page 274 (and any surrounding pages) containing the article of clayton woodworth claiming he was under influence of evil spirits.

Marvin Shilmer

btt

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Is It "Wrong" To Say That Someone "Sounds" Black??

by minimus in

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i saw boston legal this past tuesday and denny crane said he was impressed by the "articulate" man who didn't "sound" black.

this caused an uproar!!!

in a re-run on curb your enthusiasm, larry david makes a comment that's insulting to a black person and has to immediately apologize for being politically incorrect.. your opinion on this question, please..

Marvin Shilmer

In my opinion it is derogatory racial stereotyping to suggest a person “sounds black” if said in reference to uneducated statements in a vernacular laced with bumpkin euphemism, slang and slurred words. The world is full of uneducated people who “sound” like this, and they come in all flavors.

But I do not think it racial for a person to say “sounds like blacks I grew up with,” or “sounds like blacks in my experience,” or “sounds like blacks in my locality” if the sound is distinctive and historically valid. This is no more than an honest expression of experience, and it could refer to a wide range of distinction based on an individual's experience.

Marvin Shilmer

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1913 Souvenir Convention Report HELP

by Marvin Shilmer in

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friends

1913 souvenir convention report:.

i need good clean scans from the 1913 souvenir convention report.

specifically i need 1) the cover page, 2) the title page and 3) page 274 (and any surrounding pages) containing the article of clayton woodworth claiming he was under influence of evil spirits.

Marvin Shilmer

1913 Souvenir Convention Report:

I need good clean scans from the 1913 Souvenir Convention Report. Specifically I need 1) the cover page, 2) the title page and 3) page 274 (and any surrounding pages) containing the article of Clayton Woodworth claiming he was under influence of evil spirits.

Leolaia? You got this document?

Marvin Shilmer

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MEDIA BLITZ - JW BLOOD & SEXTUPLETS

by skeeter1 in

while the va tech shootings have made top billing, the jw blood doctrine is also a top story in canada.

canada press announces that the sextuplet parents & jw lawyers are in court, fighting for the right of the parents to be granted a hearing before the children were taken away.

ex-jws protesting outside the courthouse appear in the paper, a nice picture too.

Marvin Shilmer

Uzzah,

Thanks for the information. I checked the VS link above and it did not contain the quoted language. Can you provide a link to the VS article where this information can be read?

Marvin

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MEDIA BLITZ - JW BLOOD & SEXTUPLETS

by skeeter1 in

while the va tech shootings have made top billing, the jw blood doctrine is also a top story in canada.

canada press announces that the sextuplet parents & jw lawyers are in court, fighting for the right of the parents to be granted a hearing before the children were taken away.

ex-jws protesting outside the courthouse appear in the paper, a nice picture too.

Marvin Shilmer

ESTEE,

Where did you get the information you presented above, that,

“In late December, Jehovah's Witness officials had written a letter cautioning a respected medical journal, Paediatrics and Child Health, against publishing an article by Guichon, the medical ethicist, and scholar Ian Mitchell, in which the authors questioned whether Jehovah's Witnesses always make truly "voluntary" decisions to reject transfusions.”

Is this information published somewhere? I have the article by Guichon et al. But where can we find out about this letter from "Jehovah's Witness officials"?

Marvin Shilmer

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BC parents back in court

by Stealth453 in

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/sextuplets_court

Marvin Shilmer

The Watchtower forked tongue is evident when, after acknowledging blood transfusion is therapy as the only viable treatment to preserving life in a specific patient presentation, its official representative states things such as:

“We, too, like the author, would never recommend that the child be allowed to die.”—Eugene Rosam, Director of Hospital Information Services at Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, H E C Forum, 1996; 8(4) p 208
“No reasonable person would want to support a religious belief that is interpreted as bringing death to children.”—Eugene Rosam, Director of Hospital Information Services at Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, H E C Forum, 1996; 8(4) p 210

Shane Brady does not represent the interests of the parents or the children. He represents the interest of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc. If anyone doubts this all they need to do is ask him whether his services for these parents would continue if they chose to allow blood transfusion.

I agree with the actual written words from Eugene Rosam. No reasonable person would want to support a religious belief that is interpreted as bringing death to children. Admittedly, the Watchtower states, “In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.” (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Awake 22, 1995 p 2) So, as it turns out, no one has to interpret the religious belief of the Watchtower as to whether it brings death to children—the Watchtower organization has admits it brings death to children! Hence, according to fellow Watchtower rep. Eugene Rosam, Shane Brady and the Watchtower organization are unreasonable.

Marvin Shilmer

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Here is a brain... Here is a brain on Watchtower

by Marvin Shilmer in

watchtower organization on blood:.

in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

they are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue.watchtower bible and tract society, awake 22, 1995 p 2 .

Marvin Shilmer

Here is more from the same article,

Rosam writes:

“We, too, like the author, would never recommend that the child be allowed to die. What we ask is that the doctor do everything he can to save the life of the child without using a blood transfusion”

This statement by Rosam comes immediately after his admission that the particular circumstance faced by the particular child in question was one “that we find most difficult to deal with, and admittedly have few answers for.”

In such a crisis to refuse blood transfusion to the child is to allow the child to die, not to mention the fact that children have actually been allowed to suffer death rather than have blood transfused.

TD,

You’re right. The outright liar option I failed to present.

Marvin Shilmer